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I found a couple pictures of a mask I made for Darren Pang in 1986. I took this picture at an IHL game in Peoria:
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This one from 1987 at Chicago Stadium:
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Darren told me recently that he still has this mask displayed in his office at home.


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I remember seeing this mask. If I'm not mistaken the backplate resembled the one like Ernie Higgins used to make. Darren left the mask white with 2 Black Hawk logos on either side. Great mask!

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This is the backplate I made for that mask:
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I felt later that it looked too small, even for Panger, so the next season I gave him a larger backplate that I had laying around. That one was in fact an Ernie Higgins backplate that a trainer gave me a fews years before. Here you can see it on Pang in 1988:
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And on my arm in 1986:
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Neums30 On the first photo of Darren wearing the mask it looks like he was wearning a white sweat band under his mask.

I remember that that Michel Dion wore one also under his Lefebvre mask.
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Yes, he told me that he removed most of the forehead padding I put in the mask so that he could wear a sweatband. At that time, I wasn't putting velcro sweatbands into my masks. I used to use the chin pieces from Cooper HM30 masks with the outside vinyl removed. Then I would glue it into the mask. (I think Gary Smith has one of my old masks with that padding system) Darren got hit and cut in his forehead during a game in Toronto and I feel it probably wouldn't have happened if he would have left the padding alone. I think Harrison sought him out after that and made him a new mask (the one with indian feathers painted on it which is now in the HHOF). After Darren retired, I saw him using my mask again in oldtimers games.
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Ouch!!

Altering and removing the padding! I wish goalies would understand that doing this will compromise there safety! Goalies that do so should at least consult the mask maker first to see if this is a good idea.

I'm glad Darren Pang still has this mask and uses it. Was it all fiberglass or did you use any kevlar. I know it was around that time that Harrison started to put kevlar in his masks. I remember seeing a clip on a sportscast with Greg mentioning about the kevlar.
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My masks have allways been just fiberglass. They are thicker than Harrison's masks, so I don't feel Kevlar is necissary. They are strong enough. You can use Kevlar to make a thin strong mask, but I don't like the impact vibration on a thin mask. Its like the difference between something hitting a piece of plywood or a brick wall.
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Neums, I know what you mean! I'm currently working on a cage combo for myself. The 2 main materials are kevlar and graphite with the fiberglass on the very top and very first layer on the inside just for sanding and finishing purposes. Even though Kevlar and Graphite are the 2 main materials I still bumped up the qty of both materials to make the mask slightly thicker. Its a little more peace of mind for me. Many of the pro style masks made of these materials may be slightly thinner but I know that the "overkill" in my mask won't hurt.

Even with today's masks where we see "kevlar and graphite" included in a mask, that doesn't necessarily mean a stronger mask. Take a look at early cage combos back in the mid 80's. They were all fiberglass. It was around 1986 and 87 that we saw Kevlar being included in masks. If a mask was good enough to be worn by an NHL goalie where it was all made with fiberglass and the goalie sustaineing little or no injury then why was a mask made out of kevlar or graphite all of a sudden stronger or better at protecting us. Sometimes I wonder if it was gimmic or marketing or was it [sign in to see URL] I went to see Greg Harrison back in 1988 to have a combo done he showed me a couple of his combo's that were returned to him by the pro's and these both had cracks . In both of these masks he told me that he had used kevlar so I would say that because kevlar was used it did not mean that his masks were any safer than if he used all fiberglass. These masks were very thin and when I compare my combo that he made for me it was thicker than the ones he showed me!
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I think that if you use a majority of kevlar for the core of the mask, it ends up being lighter than the same sized, same thickness mask made of all fiberglass.

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I don't see how, a sheet of Kevlar weighs the same as a sheet of fiberglass. I picked up an all Kevlar army helmet last week and it was quite heavy.
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