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I want to make a combo... huge questions


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Ok so I've been a member here for a while and I really want to make my own mask. Obviously I'd really like to wear it obviously in game. Now I do have some questions for you more experienced mask makers. First question being would some of your that have made a combo mind if I picked your brain a bit about the process?

Ok now to my more "technical" questions. I watched the video I posted above and a few things immediately jump out. The mold that was used to place the fiber glass sheets over... That definitly does not look AT ALL like the molding clay he used after taking the initial impressions. How do you make a mold? or can you just use the molding clay to make and then start laying up your fiberglass?

Another question I have is this company obviously had a lot more access to big machines and such than I do... as for instance the 1 ton press, they used to seal everything together. Is this a necessary step or can avoid doing this step by carefully making sure I am always smoothing stuff out to avoid air pockets. (*** Any information is greatly appreciated).

Finally my last question... as far as lay-up, layers, etc. What am I going to be looking at? I think 6oz. cloth is the most favored here and I found this website: [sign in to see URL]%22/Categories
I'm assuming 25 yards will be enough but again this is my first time ever looking into something like this.

I realize that as far as making something like this I am really quite a noob so feel free to flame away. I really have spent quite a bit of time on this board, even though I think I might be the youngest member here at 25. I definitly appreciate any advice I could get from anyone. Thanks for putting up with me with these questions.

~Ken

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That video shows how mass-produced masks are made, not custom masks. You don't need a press, just lay your fiberglass over what they call a "plug". 25 yards of fiberglass sounds quite excessive, I can make a mask out of 2 yards of cloth and a single yard of matt. Good luck. Dave Neuman.
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hmmm thank you very much for that information... now that just makes me wonder a bit. On one hand I definitly don't want to go over board, but I also know I will most likely screw up (which I would actually prefer to learn some things).

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The first and most vital step is the creation of the PLUG. That is the term given to the shaped piece that eventually becomes the form for the mold.

The plug will be shaped to look exactly as you want your finished product. It is built up with clay, and covered with a layer or two of glass. It may be several inches thick by the time it is ready. The inside may be rough with fillers and clay, but the outside surface should be as smooth as possible.

The plug is prepped with wax and mold release. A few layers of glass is laid over the plug. When dry it is pulled off. This is the mold for making the actual mask. The inside is now as smooth as the outside of the plug.

The inside of the mold is prepped in the same way, and glass is laid inside the mold. When dry the glass is removed. Trim the outer edge, smooth the inside, and cut holes.
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I've always laied up over a male plug ,which I imagine is the easier way to do it .I wouldn't know the first thing about laying up a mask in a female mold, I'd imagine its quite hard getting it laid neatly in the mold. Tbh I'm a beginner realy .My masks a fairly basic ,and not that neat so I'm probably not the best person to give advice
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It certainly does take a great deal of practice to get the reverse lay up technique to work for you.

The benefit of the reverse process is that it gives you a smooth outer finish.

The reverse process will not work for vintage masks. That style of mask obviously requires a totally smooth and exact inner surface.

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Pardon my ignorance on this subject of combos, but wouldn't the very first step of making a combo have to do with selecting the cage that will be attached to it?

After all, the shell you'll building will have to accomodate the cage. I'd hate to build a really nice shell and then not be able to find cage that fits properly on it.
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Yes, ensuring that the cage will fit the finished product is of vital importance. The plug shaping process is where the cage fitting is done.
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To those who have answered, thank you very much for the advice... Unfortunately I still have more questions, one for now though... For the plug made off of my face mold. I have seen some guys here use the Impression they get (plaster of paris pour in mix), and just start adding molding clay to that... after that is done, could I just use that as my plug? or would I then have to create another plaster mold of that to then make a plug for the fiberglass lay up?
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The plaster face mold with the clay build up can be used as your plug.

In order to create a smooth surface on the plug you can cover it with a couple of layers of glass after the clay build up is done.

The glass layers can be worked smooth, and treated and sealed fiberglass is a good molding surface.
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